#43: Model Anna Katharina Exposes Plastic Surgery Secrets Within The Modeling Industry

On this episode of The Natural Plastic Surgeon Podcast, Dr. Barrett sits down with the wonderful Anna Katharina to discuss topics and secrets such as how Plastic Surgery is treated within The Modeling Industry, Anna Katharina's own true crime podcast, a surgery disaster, and choosing the right breast implants for you. In addition, they'll talk about the surgery complications that can come with an improper breast implant and how she remains true to herself in the modeling industry and the greater state of influencers today.

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Dr. Daniel Barrett (00:49):
Everybody, we're here. This is episode 43 of the Natural Plastic Surgeon podcast. We have one of my favorite patients here, Anna Katharina. And she is an Instagram model. She is a spokesperson for Bang energy drink.

Anna Kathrina (01:01):
Yes. That's true.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (01:02):
Yes. You also have your own podcast as well.

Anna Kathrina (01:03):
True crime podcast.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (01:04):
True crime and I want to get into that a little bit. Let's see. You're into fashion. You're also swimsuit model as well.

Anna Kathrina (01:12):
Correct. Fitness, swim.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (01:14):
Right. Which when it comes to breast surgery and so forth, I can see that... I mean, we're going to get into that too, why that's such a big deal.

Anna Kathrina (01:22):
Absolutely.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (01:24):
You had an original breast documentation that didn't go well, right?

Anna Kathrina (01:27):
No.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (01:28):
And not only like, "Okay, this is me, personally, how I feel," but professionally, that kind of impacts a lot of different things you could do.

Anna Kathrina (01:33):
Oh yeah. If you don't look as good as you possibly can, someone else is going to book that job.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (01:37):
Right.

Anna Kathrina (01:37):
So I know that I had to get that fixed immediately.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (01:39):
Yeah.

Anna Kathrina (01:41):
Basically, the doctor listened to me too much in basically my desired result versus what was best for me. So I wanted it big, I wanted them to be high profile.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (01:52):
Okay.

Anna Kathrina (01:53):
And he delivered and I originally liked the result, but then after a year or so, they bottomed out.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (01:59):
Yeah. Okay. Well here, I want to dive into that, but let's talk about your podcast really quick first, because I want to tease everybody to wait till the end so we can talk about the meat of this, which is the plastic surgery experience-

Anna Kathrina (02:11):
Yeah.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (02:11):
And then what we did to actually correct some of the stuff that was going on for you. Tell us about your podcast. Or is it your podcast or you're just on a podcast?

Anna Kathrina (02:18):
So I am a co-host for a podcast called Crime Bar.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (02:21):
Okay.

Anna Kathrina (02:22):
My best friend and I started it.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (02:23):
Okay.

Anna Kathrina (02:23):
I got really into abnormal psychology when I was a sophomore in college. I think a lot of it was preventative. It's kind of a morbid interest when you're a female, you're in your twenties, and you're basically a target demographic for a lot of crime.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (02:39):
Okay.

Anna Kathrina (02:39):
And a lot of things were happening on the campus when I went to school at that time. And I figured the more I educate myself, the more I can protect myself.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (02:47):
Yeah.

Anna Kathrina (02:48):
And then I became obsessed with abnormal psychology. It was something I, to this day, wish I had majored in. And maybe later on in life, I'll segue into that instead of modeling.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (02:58):
Okay.

Anna Kathrina (02:59):
But crime, based off the podcast that I'm doing, is my way of being able to psychoanalyze and discuss those things without having to go through extensive amount of school.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (03:07):
Okay. What's the podcast's name if people could-?

Anna Kathrina (03:10):
Crime Bar.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (03:11):
Crime Bar?

Anna Kathrina (03:11):
Yeah.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (03:11):
Okay, cool. So you guys check out Crime Bar.

Anna Kathrina (03:13):
Yeah.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (03:15):
The psychology of what people can actually do, it's just fascinating.

Anna Kathrina (03:20):
Yeah.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (03:20):
It's just like you think people are just like you, but there's a lot of people with really different upbringings and different processes going on in their minds.

Anna Kathrina (03:27):
Yeah. And we all want to think that we are not capable of those things. And then when you dive back into childhood trauma and things like that, you're able to see that it was more a matter of environment and circumstance. You're not that far off from a lot of these people, unfortunately.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (03:41):
Yeah.

Anna Kathrina (03:43):
A big focus for me is finding where all of this stemmed from, what happened early on in the manner of preventative psychology and things like that in therapy.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (03:53):
Cool. Yeah. One of my favorite classes in medical school was psychiatry and I did really well on it. And it's kind of funny because I'm a plastic surgeon, right?

Anna Kathrina (04:04):
Yeah.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (04:04):
So it's like half of plastic surgery is actually like psychiatry, psychology.

Anna Kathrina (04:08):
Absolutely.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (04:09):
So it's just dealing with people's mental images of themselves and trying to figure out if this is body dysmorphia or "All right, this is a real concern that someone's having."

Anna Kathrina (04:17):
Absolutely.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (04:19):
All right. Let's talk about your first operation.

Anna Kathrina (04:23):
Yeah.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (04:23):
And then what was this pressure? People talk about breast augmentation all the time and people criticize it, like, "Oh, you should be happy with your body."

Anna Kathrina (04:32):
Yeah.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (04:32):
So forth and all of this stuff. And I hear both sides of everything. And I personally think that people want to make changes to the body in a safe and respectable manner, I think that totally makes sense. It's your body, life is short, do what you want to do-

Anna Kathrina (04:44):
Absolutely.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (04:44):
Do what makes you feel good about yourself. And I see it, the power of that decision, I see it in all my patients. I saw it in you. I see it in my patients when they come in six weeks later and they're just like, "Thank you so much. I feel so much better in my body." And their confidence just goes through the roof.

Anna Kathrina (04:57):
Absolutely.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (04:58):
Even though that might even be just a small thing, right?

Anna Kathrina (04:59):
Yeah.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (05:00):
And like, how could this possibly be holding somebody back? But it's just incredible. It's very powerful. And that's why I love what I do.

Anna Kathrina (05:06):
Yeah.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (05:07):
So tell us your story. I guess, how did you get into modeling? Did breast documentation come first? What happened? Tell us about all that.

Anna Kathrina (05:15):
To be perfectly honest, I never sought out to be a model. It was something I enjoyed, taking pictures of my friends. I went to school for graphic design, originally for sports journalism. I never thought that I would be doing what I do now. I don't think anyone really thought Instagram would be what it is even a few years ago. So I was getting my second degree in graphic design down in Newport and all of a sudden you look around and everyone has work done.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (05:39):
Yeah.

Anna Kathrina (05:39):
And I was with someone at the time who pressured me into basically getting breast implants.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (05:45):
So you're dating somebody?

Anna Kathrina (05:47):
So I was dating somebody-

Dr. Daniel Barrett (05:48):
Okay.

Anna Kathrina (05:48):
Where that was something that they suggested that I do.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (05:50):
Oh, wow. Okay.

Anna Kathrina (05:51):
So I admittedly didn't really do it for the right reasons when I look back on it.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (05:56):
Okay.

Anna Kathrina (05:57):
My second surgery, completely different story. After I'd had my breast done, I was very happy with the results.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (06:04):
Yeah.

Anna Kathrina (06:04):
I did feel more confident. I know a lot of people in my life were worried that would then cause... Once you fix one thing, you get addicted to fixing all of these things, which I'm sure you have been confronted with a ton, doing what you do.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (06:18):
Absolutely, yeah.

Anna Kathrina (06:19):
But when I visited you, it was very much for me. I was with a man that wasn't pushing plastic surgery.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (06:27):
All right. Well, this is kind of key because I want to back up. Unless you don't want me to, I want to back up because this is important for women-

Anna Kathrina (06:34):
Absolutely.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (06:34):
And any man out there that might feeling pressure to get plastic surgery. How old were you at the time for your first?

Anna Kathrina (06:40):
I was 23.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (06:41):
Okay.

Anna Kathrina (06:43):
Yeah.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (06:43):
And you were dating somebody that suggested you get it?

Anna Kathrina (06:46):
Yes. Correct.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (06:46):
Okay.

Anna Kathrina (06:47):
And I had been with people prior that also suggested doing it.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (06:50):
Okay.

Anna Kathrina (06:51):
I've always wanted bigger breasts, but it wasn't something that was a massive priority to me.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (06:55):
Yeah.

Anna Kathrina (06:55):
I never thought that I would once again be in a modeling situation.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (06:59):
Okay. So you kind of partially wanted it a little bit more yourself?

Anna Kathrina (07:02):
I wish that I had just been blessed with it.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (07:03):
Okay.

Anna Kathrina (07:04):
It was one of those things-

Dr. Daniel Barrett (07:04):
Sure.

Anna Kathrina (07:05):
Where I just wish that I had had it.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (07:06):
Yeah.

Anna Kathrina (07:07):
But then I continuously dated men that wanted me to get that surgery done.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (07:11):
Okay.

Anna Kathrina (07:11):
Including my first love. So when you hear those things from men, it's like you want to be the dream to anyone that you're in love with. And I think that that is something that I wish I could have told younger me or anyone that is making the decision to go under-

Dr. Daniel Barrett (07:25):
Yeah.

Anna Kathrina (07:25):
You're putting your body through a strenuous procedure.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (07:29):
Yeah.

Anna Kathrina (07:29):
And you have to do it for the right reasons. Obviously, going to someone like you, it's extremely safe to be doing these surgeries.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (07:34):
Right. One of the things I try to do is I try to kind of screen out patients that are there, they're not really there for themselves.

Anna Kathrina (07:42):
Yes.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (07:43):
And I could be probably getting tricked by some women who are being coerced by their significant other that that's what they want to do. But I always try to say, "Is this something that you want?" "How long have you been thinking about this?"

Anna Kathrina (07:55):
Yes.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (07:55):
You know what I mean?

Anna Kathrina (07:56):
You're very intuitive. I feel like you can read the room. And I remember those questions.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (07:59):
I don't do that. If they're like, "Honey, what size do you think I should get?" I'm like, "Whoa, I don't do that." I don't, because at the end of the day, that needs to come from that person.

Anna Kathrina (08:10):
Absolutely.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (08:11):
I don't always catch it probably sometimes but I think it's important to come from the person. They feel confident about the decision to do something for their body for the right reasons.

Anna Kathrina (08:20):
Yeah. And if you're a man listening to this or watching this-

Dr. Daniel Barrett (08:22):
Right.

Anna Kathrina (08:23):
Don't give your girlfriend or wife a breast augmentation or a tummy tuck or something like that-

Dr. Daniel Barrett (08:28):
Right.

Anna Kathrina (08:28):
For an anniversary gift or a birthday gift for yourself.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (08:31):
Yes.

Anna Kathrina (08:32):
Do it because she wants it.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (08:33):
Exactly. Yes. So I have lots of women that do want these things.

Anna Kathrina (08:36):
Okay. I mean, I love it all.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (08:37):
Especially the tummy after having kids, they are like, "Oh my God, I've been waiting for this so long. My husband's like, "Okay," finally." Most of the husbands and the boyfriends and the significant others are like, "I'm here for support."

Anna Kathrina (08:47):
Exactly.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (08:47):
That's why they're here. And that's the best line I like to hear. So I always get kind of nervous if they're just really kind of leading the whole consultation and that's-

Anna Kathrina (08:55):
Absolutely.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (08:56):
That's kind of a red flag.

Anna Kathrina (08:57):
Whatever makes her happy. It is her body.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (08:59):
Yeah. All right. So let's back up. So you had surgery. You went with the surgeon down in Newport, was it?

Anna Kathrina (09:05):
Yes. He was actually in Long Beach.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (09:06):
We don't have to say names. I don't want to say any names, but okay, Long Beach. And tell us about the surgery and how you felt right after?

Anna Kathrina (09:13):
Honestly, the only reason I went to him was because I knew two different girls that had gotten their breasts done with him. And I was one of those people that it felt familiar to me. They had a good experience with him.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (09:24):
Yeah.

Anna Kathrina (09:24):
So I just said, "Sign me up." I didn't go through any consultations with anyone else. I was very single-focused. I just decided that was the route that I was going to take.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (09:33):
Okay.

Anna Kathrina (09:33):
I remember the day of surgery, my mom was with me and we were both frightened by the situation. I think it's when you rent a room in a different place to do surgery.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (09:43):
Yeah.

Anna Kathrina (09:44):
And the whole atmosphere, everything about it did not feel safe. And it was one of those things of like, "Do I go through with this?" And I did obviously go through with it. Everything was fine. Healing, there was no issues, no infections. The only problem was it was not an implant that fit my body or that my body could support.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (10:05):
Yeah. It was 450 CCS, high profile. I think it was smooth silicone, right?

Anna Kathrina (10:09):
Mm-hmm.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (10:09):
Correct. Yeah.

Anna Kathrina (10:10):
Yeah. And I'm very active. And I think I went back to my physical activity and everything like that very, very quickly. I was with that boyfriend at the time where it was kind of like, "You'd been sitting on your butt, let's get to it," you know?

Dr. Daniel Barrett (10:22):
Yeah.

Anna Kathrina (10:23):
And so I think a lot of that messed with the healing process and that's one thing I really appreciated with you is I felt like I couldn't get it wrong because I was so not versed, but you educated me on every single step of what I needed to do-

Dr. Daniel Barrett (10:38):
Awesome.

Anna Kathrina (10:38):
To be the healthiest that I could possibly be.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (10:40):
Great. Yeah. I mean, it's so funny. We meet about this a lot. We actually met about it today. It's not about just the front part of the process, convincing you to get the surgery. It's actually the whole entire process. And I think if you are a plastic surgeon, if you are someone who's going to do a surgery, you have to guide patients from the beginning all the way to the end.

Anna Kathrina (10:57):
Absolutely.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (10:59):
Either through yourself or in conjunction with your staff. Because I have a lot of staff support as well. So what you probably experienced with everything was good.

Anna Kathrina (11:06):
Oh yeah. Well, I was about to segue into that because it's something I am actually excited about. When people ask me about working with you, the first thing that pops into my head is the atmosphere when you walk into the office. I always make that joke of people celebrate Chick-fil-A employees for the atmosphere that they create because they're always in a good mood and they're so nice to be around.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (11:25):
I would say that and In-N-Out too.

Anna Kathrina (11:26):
Yes.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (11:27):
Have you had that feeling too?

Anna Kathrina (11:27):
Yes, absolutely. You're so welcome there. And it's kind of like that here.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (11:30):
Yeah.

Anna Kathrina (11:31):
And every single time I leave feeling like I could be friends with every single person that I just met. And for someone that is anxious, I think a lot of us have an anxious mindset, especially when it's something to do with our body, we want to feel very safe. We want to feel comfortable. And I felt like I was in absolutely the best place that I possibly could have been.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (11:48):
This sounds like a big commercial for my practice.

Anna Kathrina (11:49):
No, but I am serious. If you go through my DMs, you hack my Instagram, this is what I'm saying.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (11:54):
Yeah, I know. I can't thank you enough for all your referrals-

Anna Kathrina (11:56):
It's true.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (11:57):
And positive support. But to me, it's like someone's trusting me-

Anna Kathrina (12:03):
Yeah.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (12:03):
My team with their body. You go under anesthesia with complete trust, right? And it's like we have to hold that with the most respect.

Anna Kathrina (12:09):
Yeah.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (12:10):
You ever been to a doctor's office and there's like a glass window and they close it?

Anna Kathrina (12:15):
Yeah.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (12:16):
Or they open it and they're like this little Scrooge back there and it's like, "Why does it have to be like...?" It doesn't have to be like that.

Anna Kathrina (12:21):
No, it's very vulnerable.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (12:22):
I know. I know.

Anna Kathrina (12:22):
The whole thing's very vulnerable. And the way that you guys run things, you feel like it's a family, which is really nice.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (12:27):
Yeah. Yeah. So we all get kind of amped when people come in with positive results. When you show your stuff on Instagram, and by the way, can we share your Instagram?

Anna Kathrina (12:38):
Oh yeah, of course.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (12:38):
What is it?

Anna Kathrina (12:39):
It's always so annoying. I have to spell it because it's a really weird username.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (12:42):
Yeah.

Anna Kathrina (12:43):
But it's Akathrinav so it's A-K-A-T-H-A-R-I-N-A-V.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (12:48):
Okay. Akathrinav.

Anna Kathrina (12:50):
Yes.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (12:50):
All right. There it is, you guys. So make sure you follow her and check out what we're talking about. You can see she's gorgeous, she's beautiful inside and out. And so we always love to see you just kind of really out there, being confident with your body.

Anna Kathrina (13:03):
Yeah.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (13:04):
And knowing that we were part of that, making that process smooth and easy for you.

Anna Kathrina (13:08):
Yeah.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (13:09):
All right. Did you like your first surgery? We're going to back it up here.

Anna Kathrina (13:16):
My first surgery, I didn't really have any complaints. That was one thing that has always taken me aback, I think, about breast augmentation in general is how much you feel yourself very quickly. I was expecting to be out of commission for a week or two, in so much pain. And then two, three days after, it's like yeah, you're uncomfortable but then you feel like you can wash the dishes and fold laundry and you basically have to halt yourself from doing those things because you do feel ready to go back to work on Monday.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (13:44):
Yeah.

Anna Kathrina (13:44):
Which is a great thing if you have to, but you also have to really look out for yourself because long term, longevity that's very important. So first surgery was fine. Second with you was a little bit more difficult strictly because we did the pocket repair.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (13:58):
Right. So we had some issues with the first surgery.

Anna Kathrina (14:03):
Yes.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (14:04):
So the issues was we had high profile implants. So high profile implant is very narrow, it's very projected.

Anna Kathrina (14:09):
Yes.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (14:10):
So I typically don't like them because they tend to look fake and they're like little heavy cannonballs, right?

Anna Kathrina (14:15):
Oh yeah.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (14:15):
So they don't have a whole lot of weight distribution and they tend to do weird things. They'll bottom out, they'll fall off, they'll fall out of pocket. So people that are thinking about getting high profile implants, I generally convince them not to do it because of the risk of that. Sometimes you get away but it's all about setting up successful results for people long term.

Anna Kathrina (14:32):
Yeah. It looked comical, honestly. It looked like a hammerhead shark or like, I don't know, headlights or something.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (14:39):
And they were big for your body too. It was 450. And I also remember you showed me a picture when you were in a bikini and this is where I think the work stuff comes in. I was just like, "I can't show this certain angle."

Anna Kathrina (14:49):
My entire side, I couldn't show because it had rippled. It looked like a three written on the side of my chest basically.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (14:56):
Yeah.

Anna Kathrina (14:56):
And now I don't have to worry about that. And I think the biggest thing for me is I not only like the way that it looks, it hasn't gotten in the way of doing anything that I like to do, working out. I feel safe working my chest again. And that was something I had to actively avoid.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (15:11):
Yeah.

Anna Kathrina (15:11):
And then you feel like this high maintenance person that can't do the things that you want to do because of a plastic surgery decision. It doesn't have to be like that.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (15:18):
Right. Right. Yeah. So, all right. So you came in, we chatted, I saw exactly what you're talking about and the issue was most likely the implant chosen.

Anna Kathrina (15:28):
Yeah.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (15:28):
I think. I wasn't there for the surgery. I don't know about the pocket dissection or whatever. So we came up with a game plan. One of the things was to downsize you a little bit.

Anna Kathrina (15:37):
Yeah.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (15:37):
And then switch you to a moderate profile, which I think was huge. We also switched you to a textured implant.

Anna Kathrina (15:44):
Yeah.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (15:44):
Which I have right here. I don't know, have you ever felt what you felt one?

Anna Kathrina (15:47):
I felt one in the office. Yeah.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (15:48):
Yeah.

Anna Kathrina (15:49):
It's not what you expect.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (15:50):
It's not. Yeah.

Anna Kathrina (15:51):
It feels like velvet.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (15:52):
Yeah. It's very nice. And this is a smooth implant and so-

Anna Kathrina (15:55):
It's very nice.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (15:56):
Yeah. So given a situation where you have a pocket issue-

Anna Kathrina (16:00):
Yeah.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (16:00):
Sometimes rarely, we'll use a textured implant because it stays a little bit more. And so we made that decision. We did a pocket repair for you, which means we closed off that little gap.

Anna Kathrina (16:12):
Yeah.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (16:12):
And then we put in a slightly smaller implant, although it was a little bit wider so we had to kind of rely on that pocket repair, but then we were hoping that would hold up and it did.

Anna Kathrina (16:21):
Yeah. Which looks more natural, flatter and wider.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (16:23):
Exactly. Yeah. So I mean your results, they turned out amazing. And tell us about your recovery. You said that you felt that pocket repair.

Anna Kathrina (16:31):
I was so swollen. I was like the Michelin Man on top for a week.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (16:34):
Okay.

Anna Kathrina (16:35):
And then the swelling all went down.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (16:36):
We put you in a specific bra, I think. And that's another thing is I don't normally use bras, but when I do pocket repairs, I do, because it's got to hold it in place.

Anna Kathrina (16:43):
For sure.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (16:43):
The only problem with that is it holds the swelling up.

Anna Kathrina (16:46):
Yeah. It was like everything was normal and then I looked like I gained 20 pounds just in one area.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (16:50):
Yeah.

Anna Kathrina (16:50):
But it was to be expected. And then I walked around... After doing the removal of the bra, it went back to normal.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (16:55):
Yeah.

Anna Kathrina (16:55):
So no complaints.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (16:57):
Well, good. And now since then, how has modeling been?

Anna Kathrina (17:01):
Great.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (17:01):
Okay.

Anna Kathrina (17:02):
It actually helped me a ton.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (17:03):
Okay.

Anna Kathrina (17:03):
No surprise. You saw the before and after.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (17:05):
Yeah.

Anna Kathrina (17:06):
But it definitely helped. I mean, that's the thing is with modeling, they don't mind you being fake, but you have to basically convince the people that it's natural.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (17:16):
Convince who?

Anna Kathrina (17:17):
The consumers.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (17:18):
Okay.

Anna Kathrina (17:18):
The audience. It's almost like they're just born this perfect.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (17:22):
Yeah.

Anna Kathrina (17:23):
Which is distorted and it's not a great thing for people.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (17:26):
And how do you feel about that?

Anna Kathrina (17:27):
I don't stand behind it at all.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (17:28):
Okay. All right. Cool. Because some women are naturally gifted with their chest and some women aren't.

Anna Kathrina (17:34):
Yeah.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (17:34):
And I think for women that want that fuller look, yes, you can get breast augmentation. It's okay. And I'll tell you a lot of celebrities get that. And that's why, if you've seen any of my TikTok videos where I actually call out some plastic surgeon-

Anna Kathrina (17:46):
Yes.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (17:47):
Some celebrities where I think they might have had plastic surgery-

Anna Kathrina (17:51):
I think that's important for these young people that are just processing and taking in all of this information.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (17:57):
Right.

Anna Kathrina (17:57):
And there is nothing that makes me dislike a celebrity quicker than when they have claimed to never have done Botox or done any of these things. It's like, "You're sixty years old. We can tell that you have, and there's nothing wrong with it. You're not any less beautiful just because you have bought some sort of procedure."

Dr. Daniel Barrett (18:13):
Right. Exactly. And that's why I love you and what you do is because you're kind of open about it. You're like, "Oh, yeah. I had a breast augmentation."

Anna Kathrina (18:19):
So I mean you don't flaunt and everything, but it's like people ask you, you're open with it. And clearly you're on this podcast, talking about it.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (18:25):
Yeah.

Anna Kathrina (18:26):
Which I respect and thank you.
Yeah, of course. If you're a public figure, you deserve all of the privacy that you want.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (18:34):
Right.

Anna Kathrina (18:35):
But I think ethically speaking, it is important to disclose things. And I think as a woman, that is important to me because when I know... The comparison thing, I mean, we all do it.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (18:45):
Yeah.

Anna Kathrina (18:45):
And one of the things that has been the best is the fact that it has become less taboo to be honest-

Dr. Daniel Barrett (18:50):
Right.

Anna Kathrina (18:51):
About what you have done.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (18:52):
Yeah. And I think that's awesome. I think celebrities need to go that way. I think they'll be respected by their fans, their followers more. And what I've found is influencers that are more real... I guess, influencers, models, it kind of goes hand in hand now.

Anna Kathrina (19:08):
Yes, it does.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (19:09):
I talked to a friend of mine who's an actress and she's like, "Whenever I try to get jobs, now they ask, "What's your following?"" Has that happened to you?

Anna Kathrina (19:16):
Oh, all the time. When I go to castings, right under your name, how many followers do you have? And there's been multiple times that I probably book a job, not because of talent, but because I have more followers.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (19:25):
Right.

Anna Kathrina (19:25):
And then they can do a tag.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (19:28):
Yeah. So I think when you're open and honest to people and genuine that you're going to engage more with your followers and-

Anna Kathrina (19:35):
Absolutely.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (19:36):
People are going to respect you more and follow you more. So I think it's a win-win.

Anna Kathrina (19:40):
And I think living in a place like LA has made me want to be more real, because you can really pretend to be anything you want to be in a city like this.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (19:47):
I know.

Anna Kathrina (19:48):
And pretend to have anything that you have. And I don't think that there's anything relatable about that. And I think being relatable and making people feel comfortable with what they have or don't have is the most attractive quality that one could possibly have.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (19:59):
Yeah. I ride a bike to work.

Anna Kathrina (20:02):
To stay fit a little bit?

Dr. Daniel Barrett (20:03):
Yeah. But it's just like it's faster.

Anna Kathrina (20:06):
It is.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (20:06):
It's like I don't have to deal with parking.

Anna Kathrina (20:08):
Of course.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (20:09):
I see these plastic surgeons and the first thing they do when they get their first two years in or whatever is they buy this fancy car, Ferrari.

Anna Kathrina (20:16):
They buy the McLaren or the Lambo.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (20:18):
Yeah. And I'm just like, "All right, that's super loud and obnoxious."

Anna Kathrina (20:20):
It truly is.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (20:21):
Yeah. And I'm just not into that. I mean to people that are into cars, great. But it's just like that showy thing where you're trying to pretend.

Anna Kathrina (20:28):
It's the why once again. You can collect cars and love cars, but if you're doing it to get attention, then that's when I lose my interest.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (20:35):
But who really cares about that kind of stuff?

Anna Kathrina (20:37):
A lot of people here.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (20:38):
Yeah. I guess so.

Anna Kathrina (20:39):
Welcome to LA.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (20:41):
It's just like, "Do people respect you more because you drive a nicer...?" I mean, perhaps. I don't know.

Anna Kathrina (20:44):
Yeah.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (20:44):
Yeah.

Anna Kathrina (20:45):
Priorities are skewed here, unfortunately.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (20:47):
Yeah. Yeah. Well, good. Well, we talked about kind of modeling now. What's kind of the next steps for you? What are you kind of getting into and where you see your career going?

Anna Kathrina (20:59):
I would love to get out of modeling.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (21:00):
Okay.

Anna Kathrina (21:01):
Truthfully. I don't think that I can feel happy if I stick to a career that relies solely on my looks for much longer.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (21:09):
Right.

Anna Kathrina (21:09):
I know that I have more to give and more to do. And anything that uses my brain more. I mean, my dream job was to be a criminal profiler for the FBI. That was all I wanted to do. Silence of the Lambs was my favorite movie.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (21:21):
Oh my gosh.

Anna Kathrina (21:21):
I wanted to be Clarice.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (21:22):
Hello, Clarice.

Anna Kathrina (21:23):
Yes. Literally, that was the dream to me. But I decided that I want to take a route that isn't as psychologically damaging.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (21:30):
Right.

Anna Kathrina (21:30):
And doesn't make me as vulnerable safety wise. So if I could possibly make this true crime podcast into something bigger and then that segues into interviewing real law enforcement, and I just want to grow that as much as possible.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (21:45):
It's crazy. My dad was a police officer, two of my brothers are police officers. And it's just like sometimes they have these stories that nobody ever knows about.

Anna Kathrina (21:52):
Oh yeah.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (21:52):
It's really bizarre.

Anna Kathrina (21:54):
You can't live a normal life.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (21:55):
My dad, when I was growing up, he had these knives that he collected from criminals and stuff. And some of these things were just downright scary, like switch blades and little hook knives. And I was like, "Oh my God." I just remember that back in the day, like-

Anna Kathrina (22:07):
His souvenirs of other criminals, I love that.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (22:10):
Yes. Souvenirs of the bad people that he arrested or he was involved with, I guess. Yeah. I don't know. I was just a kid looking into stuff. He's like, "Don't go in there." I like "All right."

Anna Kathrina (22:19):
You should interview him.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (22:20):
Well, he's passed away, unfortunately.

Anna Kathrina (22:21):
Okay. I'm so sorry to hear that.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (22:23):
That's all right. But it's interesting. I think law enforcement, they're exposed to certain types of people that don't fall in line with what we typically see in people. And I think, unfortunately they get exposed repetitively to sometimes toxic environments more.

Anna Kathrina (22:45):
Of course.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (22:45):
And it affects them as well.

Anna Kathrina (22:46):
Oh yeah. And the power hunger and things like that.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (22:49):
Yeah. Yeah. So I think it's fascinating. So, well, good luck with that.

Anna Kathrina (22:53):
So do I. Thank you.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (22:54):
Great. Anything you want to share with the listeners or the followers? Anything we didn't talk about.

Anna Kathrina (22:58):
Oh man. So broad.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (23:00):
Yeah.

Anna Kathrina (23:01):
In what category specifically? Just life in general?

Dr. Daniel Barrett (23:05):
Yeah.

Anna Kathrina (23:06):
I feel like we touched on-

Dr. Daniel Barrett (23:08):
I would say yeah, that and then also someone who's thinking about getting plastic surgery, what would be your advice to them?

Anna Kathrina (23:16):
Do your research.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (23:18):
Okay.

Anna Kathrina (23:18):
Don't do what I did the first time around, which was ask two girls who you somewhat liked their results and then just go to that doctor and then be like, "This is it," which is unfortunately how I am. I'm single-focused. I'm very stubborn. If I've made my mind up, that's just the way it's going to be.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (23:31):
Yeah.

Anna Kathrina (23:32):
Do your research, really just shop around. If I had gone to you the first time, I would've chosen you.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (23:38):
Right.

Anna Kathrina (23:38):
You had the best reviews. I had the word of mouth, everything, recommendation wise, referral wise. I don't even remember really how I found you.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (23:46):
Was it through Lauren Everett's Skinny Confidential?

Anna Kathrina (23:50):
I don't think so.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (23:51):
Oh, okay.

Anna Kathrina (23:52):
I don't believe so. But it had to have been just your social media presence, something about you. I was just like, "I trust this guy. I love his results, they are so natural."

Dr. Daniel Barrett (24:00):
Great.

Anna Kathrina (24:01):
And look at us now.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (24:02):
Yeah, I know.

Anna Kathrina (24:03):
I know.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (24:03):
Well, thank you. Thank you for trusting me.

Anna Kathrina (24:05):
Yeah, of course.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (24:06):
So also we wanted just to try and see if we could do a little Q&A, I think, right?

Anna Kathrina (24:09):
Yeah.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (24:10):
So if you have a few minutes, we could do some Q&A?

Anna Kathrina (24:13):
Let's do it.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (24:13):
All right.

Anna Kathrina (24:13):
One of the questions that I got when I posted my Q&A thing-

Dr. Daniel Barrett (24:16):
Yeah.

Anna Kathrina (24:17):
A lot of people are so hesitant now because of the breast implant illness discussion. And they wanted to hear about my experience with it. I have personally not had any negative effects, especially after getting my surgery with you.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (24:30):
Right.

Anna Kathrina (24:31):
But I'm so curious. I don't know if you're sick of talking about that.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (24:34):
I'm not sick of talking about it. I'll talk about it all the time because it's something that's out there and I want to educate people on it.

Anna Kathrina (24:40):
Yeah.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (24:40):
And it's very important that people understand the risks of getting any kind of surgery. When it comes to an implant, implants, they're synthetic structures basically. So if bacteria were to get onto here, bacteria has a great way to form a biofilm. That's why we brush our teeth, is we break down that biofilm all the time.

Anna Kathrina (25:01):
Absolutely.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (25:02):
And get the bacteria gone, right? So an implant could theoretically get a biofilm on top of it if it's bacterial contamination. So if you ever see my videos on how I do my surgeries, I'm super OCD, how I kind of irrigate the pocket, all that stuff's designed to reduce contamination. Why that's important primarily is for capsule contracture.

Anna Kathrina (25:18):
Yeah.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (25:19):
That's the number one complication for breast augmentation surgery. And that's when you get that scar tissue that forms around the implant. That's in response to typically a low level bacterial contamination.

Anna Kathrina (25:29):
Interesting.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (25:30):
Yeah. So if you do a good job with your implant insertion and all the different stuff, like using the Keller funnel, all the stuff that I do, your capsule contracture rate goes down.

Anna Kathrina (25:37):
So it's basically your body fighting a foreign substance and then trying to basically squeeze it out or propel it out and it can't.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (25:42):
It can't, right?

Anna Kathrina (25:43):
That's interesting.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (25:43):
On an implant, same thing that happens with like a hip or like an artificial joint. That's why it has to be a super clean operation, right?

Anna Kathrina (25:49):
Yeah.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (25:50):
So if you ever see them do a knee joint or a hip joint, they're wearing spacesuits. They're super sterile, right?

Anna Kathrina (25:56):
That's phenomenal.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (25:56):
My rooms, they have HEPA filters.

Anna Kathrina (25:58):
Yeah.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (25:58):
And the operating room, I helped design it so that it's super clean and everything we do with the surgery is super clean. Now what they founded with breast implant illness is that there's a certain type of bacteria that actually gets on the implants called Propioni acnes. And it's a less common bacteria that can get on there. But when it forms a biofilm on there, for some people, it causes your immune system to go haywire, okay?

Anna Kathrina (26:18):
Interesting.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (26:19):
This is all what we think we know about it, okay? There's varying degrees of it. The rate of that happening is way less common than regular capsule contraction.

Anna Kathrina (26:32):
Yeah.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (26:32):
So I'd say maybe one in a thousand, one in 2000. The treatment for it, simply remove your implants.

Anna Kathrina (26:39):
Yeah.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (26:39):
But things that can happen is problem sleeping, loss of hair, skin rashes. And I have a lot of patients that come for me with other doctors and I take out their implants and I do capsulectomy, because we got to remove that scar tissue around there. Just clear it out. And then they magically feel much better.

Anna Kathrina (26:56):
So having the correct doctor that's taking all of the proper steps can help prevent that?

Dr. Daniel Barrett (27:00):
Right. Because majority of patients with implants, they're perfectly fine.

Anna Kathrina (27:03):
Yeah.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (27:04):
It's not like everybody that gets implants gets this. So it's a calculated risk. And so I tell people, it's like, "Look, it's a very low risk that that's going to happen to you. If it does, then take them out." So you kind have to make that decision. It's not like a permanent thing. I don't wish that on anybody.

Anna Kathrina (27:17):
No, of course not.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (27:18):
Obviously, nobody wants that to happen, but that's just one of those things that can happen.

Anna Kathrina (27:22):
I'm always curious if that has something or any sort of complications could be caused by even possibly touching lymph nodes or something like that, such a delicate area?

Dr. Daniel Barrett (27:34):
I don't mess with the lymph nodes, right?

Anna Kathrina (27:36):
Yeah.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (27:36):
We don't go over there. We stop right here. As soon as I start to see nerves and things like that, I don't go further out there. I try to do a minimal breast augmentation, so they don't mess with the nerve sensation. How is your sensation by the way?

Anna Kathrina (27:47):
I don't understand how this is possible.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (27:49):
Yeah.

Anna Kathrina (27:49):
But I did not have sensation in my previous surgery and I have 50% regained feeling now.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (27:57):
Okay.

Anna Kathrina (27:58):
I don't understand how that is possible.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (27:59):
I don't either, but that's great.

Anna Kathrina (28:00):
And I don't know if maybe it's because it was so stretched before.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (28:04):
Yeah. Because sometimes the nerves, when they get stretched, they stop working and then you relieve that stretch a little bit, you get better.

Anna Kathrina (28:09):
It was unbearably itchy, I remember, at the beginning.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (28:12):
Yeah.

Anna Kathrina (28:12):
And it was, I think, because things were healing. I don't understand how that worked, but all I know is numb before, 50% probably back now.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (28:19):
Amazing.

Anna Kathrina (28:20):
Yeah.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (28:20):
We love to hear it. So we got a couple questions. We're just answer a couple questions for you guys.

Anna Kathrina (28:25):
Yeah.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (28:26):
And these are from some of the people that kind of wrote in.

Anna Kathrina (28:29):
Yeah.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (28:29):
So we just get a couple of these in. Let's see. Actually we answered some of these. What is some of the biggest challenges you faced as a model?

Anna Kathrina (28:38):
Biggest challenges as a model? I feel like it's like a lifestyle that goes along with being a model and I think it can get confusing, it can get messy where it's not just going to a photo shoot and then you go home. Not for a lot of people. It's like you start hanging out with models, you get kind of caught up in this different environment and you get swept up in all of the things that seem very glamorous and exciting, especially when you're young. So I think it's very easy to lose sense of self when you're in this industry. And all of a sudden, you're doing these things that you wouldn't normally do and you're in situations that you wouldn't normally be in because you think it's all part of being a model. And that's one thing that I'm actually proud of throughout my career is keeping that so separate. And I remember hearing very often when I was younger that, "Please don't let LA change you."

Dr. Daniel Barrett (29:27):
Yeah.

Anna Kathrina (29:28):
And that was something that I can confidently say that I feel like I am very much the same person that I was 10 years ago. I stayed very true to who I am, but you're not always that headstrong in a situation like modeling. It's easy to get swept up.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (29:43):
That's so true. I mean, you got to stay true to your roots. I mean, otherwise you're just lost. Who are you?

Anna Kathrina (29:49):
You have to stand for something or you're going to fall for literally everything. I think that's a Katie Perry song but who cares? It's true.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (29:56):
I think she stole that from somewhere else though.

Anna Kathrina (29:57):
Yeah. Pretend I said that.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (29:58):
Yeah. Let's see. We'll just do one more question and let's see here, we talked about modeling. Here's another one. What would you say is your biggest accomplishment, just in general?

Anna Kathrina (30:13):
Honestly, tied into what we just said where it's like I feel like my integrity and my values are very much intact of what I promised myself. I remember having conversations with my grandpa, having conversations with myself of what I want my life to look like and if I were to have children, I were to get married, making those people proud and not doing anything that I look back on and regret.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (30:37):
Yeah.

Anna Kathrina (30:37):
And I feel like I stayed very true to all of those things. And I'm very proud of being almost 30 years old, living in a place like this, doing a career that I'm doing. And I feel like I can confidently say that I stayed very true to myself.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (30:49):
Amazing. Well, I believe it. Very, very true. All right, Anna Kathrina, Akathrinav.

Anna Kathrina (30:55):
Yes.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (30:56):
You guys, you got to follow her on Instagram and definitely give her a shout out and thanks so much for being on the show.

Anna Kathrina (31:02):
Yeah. It was so fun. I love this.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (31:02):
Yeah. We will see you soon for some other things, I'm sure.

Anna Kathrina (31:05):
Yeah. I'll always come in for something.

Dr. Daniel Barrett (31:06):
Okay. Yeah.

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